BLUE FALCONS WIN
ULTIMATE FANTASY FIGHTING 2018-2019
BLUE
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MAINFRAME
--- Game Cube: Space Race --- FIRST MOVE = ADVENTURE TIME!
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ADVENTURE TIME![Data Theft] [C] Kratos
Double Cherry --- Bunny Hood --- Super Star --- Sam Winchester Briefcase: Civilians --- Dean Winchester Hyper-Chainsaw Hand --- [Game Cube] (Finn Sword) Finn Excalibur & Scabbard --- [1v1] [2v2] [Data Theft] Jake the Dog Ultiverse Shield --- [2v2] Invisible Woman 2v2 Combat Thread --- Kermit the Frog Wiretap *BLOCKED* --- |
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BLUE FALCONS | BATTLE STATS
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ADVENTURE TIME! | BATTLE STATS
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CONTEND (CLOSED TABLE)
JUDGE aLPHA & OMEGA | FINAL VERDICT
BEGINS FRIDAY APRIL 19, 2019 @ 12:00AM EST | ENDS MONDAY APRIL 29, 2019 @ 12:00AM EST
UFF COMMISSIONER
Good evening, gentlemen!
First of all, congratulations to you both for making it to the Championship Battle. Regardless of the winner, after this battle each debater is permitted to battle in a "Judgment Match" and increase Debater Rank, if possible or desired. Now to take care of one thing before this titan match begins.
As we can all see, there are two Combat Thread utilities in play, forcing a 1v1 and a 2v2 threads that both involve Jake the Dog. This does not create a 3v2, since that would break and nullify the utility. Instead, this instance creates a "multiverse effect" as specified under Rulebook > How To Battle > Story Arc & The "Multiverse Effect". That means there are two unique timelines or parallel universes, as it were, called "Story Arcs" in this battle: One Story Arc where Nappa fights Jake the Dog at the start of the battle (Story Arc 1, or SA-1 for short) and no 2v2 thread is present, and the other one where Jake the Dog and Invisible Woman team up to fight Magneto and Blue at the start of the battle (SA-2) and no 1v1 thread is present. This essentially means that there are two battles occurring at the same time with the same assets in this single UFF Battle, respectively.
Also, please keep in mind; that in all Story Arcs, the Game Cube game Space Race must take place between the same two agents each debater chooses to use.
If you have any questions, please post a reply under this post.
Godspeed!
Good evening, gentlemen!
First of all, congratulations to you both for making it to the Championship Battle. Regardless of the winner, after this battle each debater is permitted to battle in a "Judgment Match" and increase Debater Rank, if possible or desired. Now to take care of one thing before this titan match begins.
As we can all see, there are two Combat Thread utilities in play, forcing a 1v1 and a 2v2 threads that both involve Jake the Dog. This does not create a 3v2, since that would break and nullify the utility. Instead, this instance creates a "multiverse effect" as specified under Rulebook > How To Battle > Story Arc & The "Multiverse Effect". That means there are two unique timelines or parallel universes, as it were, called "Story Arcs" in this battle: One Story Arc where Nappa fights Jake the Dog at the start of the battle (Story Arc 1, or SA-1 for short) and no 2v2 thread is present, and the other one where Jake the Dog and Invisible Woman team up to fight Magneto and Blue at the start of the battle (SA-2) and no 1v1 thread is present. This essentially means that there are two battles occurring at the same time with the same assets in this single UFF Battle, respectively.
Also, please keep in mind; that in all Story Arcs, the Game Cube game Space Race must take place between the same two agents each debater chooses to use.
If you have any questions, please post a reply under this post.
Godspeed!
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Reply: Aaridin
I've just now realized I failed to provide links for the weapons of the Winchesters. Since I had around 500 words left I'll just link them here. (https://supernatural-tv-series.fandom.com/wiki/The_First_Blade , https://supernatural-tv-series.fandom.com/wiki/Angel_blade , https://supernatural-tv-series.fandom.com/wiki/The_Colt) |
TURN 1: ADVENTURE TIME!
Aaridin
Good morning UFF! It is a pleasure to be here in the finals and it will also be my pleasure to put an end to the falcon's reign of terror (and annoyance.) And as for my opponent just because you had the dragonballs doesn’t mean you had to spend them on a character from dragonball but whatever. Now on with the show!
When I look at the match up I notice how one sided it is, in my favour of course, even though you have a character with god like power levels (who I believe should be grey listed) in Magneto I got someone to counter both him and Blue, The Invisible Woman (IW.) IW being from the same universe as Magneto knows how devastating and evil he is, putting a force-field completely around magnetos body preventing him from using his powers. “But how does that stop him from using his powers?” ugh I can already hear you saying it as I type it. IW has gone up against a few other mutants and even mutants more powerful than magneto, In this case Jean Grey, could not use their abilities through her barriers (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Susan_Storm_(Earth-616) check Psionic force-fields) you might say well that is just to psionic abilities but in this link (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-840854 ) IW uses her force-fields make small bubbles in Wolverines lungs and to turn his optic nerves invisible both of which his healing factor failed to repair. With this evidence it is clear that IW’s force-fields have a negating effect on mutant abilities. If IW feels she is unable to maintain Magneto’s powers (even though she would be able to as I just proved) knowing his potential she would not hesitate to form barriers inside Magneto’s lungs or heart to save the people of this land since I brought the civilians utility with me to help give my team of heroes an extra little push of encouragement to battle these villains.
IW is also against Blue whom she doesn’t know anything about except that anyone willing to ally themself with magneto is no good person. When Blue goes to throw a pokeball IW would naturally assume that it is a grenade of some kind, a very logical assumption given their shape and size, to prevent them from detonating she also makes small force-fields around each of the balls preventing them from opening. Without his pokemon Blue is just a kid. With both Magneto and Blue subdued by IW it takes Jake no effort at all to take out knock out blue with a single punch then to smash Mecha-king Ghidorah much like this (https://youtu.be/AZGqBY7fA-A?t=92 ) Yes I know Ghidorah is much bigger than this but Jake can also be much bigger than this, so it’s the same idea, what the clip shows is that Jakes punches are strong enough to smash metal.
Now for the Space Race! Wooo. From one brother to another. Finn goes up against Vader in the space race and I have to say if this was a real race in actual space with real actual space ships Vader would have no contest against Finn however, because this is a video game Finn has the advantage (https://adventuretime.fandom.com/wiki/Finn Check Miscellaneous ) while this link only says one videogame he has played many videogames throughout the series including some racing/driving games like when he’s depressed about PB and B-MO tries to cheer him up by getting to play an excite bike style game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhU1oxgRc2g ) Vader has no experience playing videogames only real spaceships and just because you’re good at one doesn’t make you good at the other here is a perfect example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78KWIRpjKwU ) When the band Rush played their own song on Rockband they failed. A similar thing would happen here. On top of all this has Vader ever entered a videogame? Finn has.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYDoCVHgKqM )
Next, Back to another brother Jake vs. Nappa This is the match that confused me. You get a really strong character in Nappa then make him do a 1v1 vs Jake.This would be extremely one sided if Jake didn’t have the UFF shield. To start this match Jake would grow himself to look similar to Nappa in terms of shape and size, he would flex his muscles and saying “oh yeah being fit is great, right bro! I bet you can’t flex like this! ” In hopes that Nappa would join him in a flex off! FLEX OFF!
Well that last bit was short but I’m sure we’ll get back to that in later posts.
Now for the rest. I have made the greatest Warrior the UFF has ever seen, I have suped up Kratos to insane levels of speed and power. Both the Bunny hood and the superstar increase Kratos’ already impressive speed, on top of that the double cherry creates a second Kratos who is equally fast and strong. (https://www.mariowiki.com/Double_Cherry , https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Star , https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Bunny_Hood) On top of all this the super star makes any enemy Kratos touches instantly be defeated. Since the only target for him at the start is the T-1000 Kratos rushes him and before T-1000 could do anything he would be destroyed, and before you argue that the T-1000 can regenerate himself it doesn’t matter the superstar defeats enemies that regenerate (https://www.mariowiki.com/Dry_Bones ) With the absolute decimation of T-1000 Kratos can use his speed to run over and help IW and Jake with Magneto and Blue, or help Jake with Nappa. Now how long the star effect would last changes on the game some games it’s only 10 seconds long but most are more than 16 seconds with some being 20 seconds long. so I’ll take the average and say he has the effects for 15 seconds I feel that’s fair. 15 Seconds is more than enough time time to defeat T-1000 get to the other fights and also defeat the combatants there.
I haven’t even used all my agents yet Sam and Dean in the Impala are able to join any of the fights too since T-1000 was instantly defeated by Kratos either way they can follow up Kratos with their own lethal force if needed through use of Deans Hyper-chainsaw hand or his “the first blade” possibly Deans most Iconic weapon or Angel blade. Sam also has the Colt which as I proved in my last battle has the ability to kill any being shot by it even immortal beings. If Jake can wrap up and hold Nappa a single shot from the colt is enough to take down the hulking brute, That is of course if he isn’t instantly defeated by Kratos too since because of the way the multiverse works Kratos and the Winchesters can help both battles simultaneously.
This is over. Oh and don’t you worry I have additional plans that I can and will probably use, I just don’t have the space to do so in this first post. If you want, you can just surrender now. It’s time for a new champion. Your turn, Show me your moves!
Aaridin
Good morning UFF! It is a pleasure to be here in the finals and it will also be my pleasure to put an end to the falcon's reign of terror (and annoyance.) And as for my opponent just because you had the dragonballs doesn’t mean you had to spend them on a character from dragonball but whatever. Now on with the show!
When I look at the match up I notice how one sided it is, in my favour of course, even though you have a character with god like power levels (who I believe should be grey listed) in Magneto I got someone to counter both him and Blue, The Invisible Woman (IW.) IW being from the same universe as Magneto knows how devastating and evil he is, putting a force-field completely around magnetos body preventing him from using his powers. “But how does that stop him from using his powers?” ugh I can already hear you saying it as I type it. IW has gone up against a few other mutants and even mutants more powerful than magneto, In this case Jean Grey, could not use their abilities through her barriers (https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Susan_Storm_(Earth-616) check Psionic force-fields) you might say well that is just to psionic abilities but in this link (https://comicvine.gamespot.com/images/1300-840854 ) IW uses her force-fields make small bubbles in Wolverines lungs and to turn his optic nerves invisible both of which his healing factor failed to repair. With this evidence it is clear that IW’s force-fields have a negating effect on mutant abilities. If IW feels she is unable to maintain Magneto’s powers (even though she would be able to as I just proved) knowing his potential she would not hesitate to form barriers inside Magneto’s lungs or heart to save the people of this land since I brought the civilians utility with me to help give my team of heroes an extra little push of encouragement to battle these villains.
IW is also against Blue whom she doesn’t know anything about except that anyone willing to ally themself with magneto is no good person. When Blue goes to throw a pokeball IW would naturally assume that it is a grenade of some kind, a very logical assumption given their shape and size, to prevent them from detonating she also makes small force-fields around each of the balls preventing them from opening. Without his pokemon Blue is just a kid. With both Magneto and Blue subdued by IW it takes Jake no effort at all to take out knock out blue with a single punch then to smash Mecha-king Ghidorah much like this (https://youtu.be/AZGqBY7fA-A?t=92 ) Yes I know Ghidorah is much bigger than this but Jake can also be much bigger than this, so it’s the same idea, what the clip shows is that Jakes punches are strong enough to smash metal.
Now for the Space Race! Wooo. From one brother to another. Finn goes up against Vader in the space race and I have to say if this was a real race in actual space with real actual space ships Vader would have no contest against Finn however, because this is a video game Finn has the advantage (https://adventuretime.fandom.com/wiki/Finn Check Miscellaneous ) while this link only says one videogame he has played many videogames throughout the series including some racing/driving games like when he’s depressed about PB and B-MO tries to cheer him up by getting to play an excite bike style game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhU1oxgRc2g ) Vader has no experience playing videogames only real spaceships and just because you’re good at one doesn’t make you good at the other here is a perfect example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78KWIRpjKwU ) When the band Rush played their own song on Rockband they failed. A similar thing would happen here. On top of all this has Vader ever entered a videogame? Finn has.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYDoCVHgKqM )
Next, Back to another brother Jake vs. Nappa This is the match that confused me. You get a really strong character in Nappa then make him do a 1v1 vs Jake.This would be extremely one sided if Jake didn’t have the UFF shield. To start this match Jake would grow himself to look similar to Nappa in terms of shape and size, he would flex his muscles and saying “oh yeah being fit is great, right bro! I bet you can’t flex like this! ” In hopes that Nappa would join him in a flex off! FLEX OFF!
Well that last bit was short but I’m sure we’ll get back to that in later posts.
Now for the rest. I have made the greatest Warrior the UFF has ever seen, I have suped up Kratos to insane levels of speed and power. Both the Bunny hood and the superstar increase Kratos’ already impressive speed, on top of that the double cherry creates a second Kratos who is equally fast and strong. (https://www.mariowiki.com/Double_Cherry , https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Star , https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Bunny_Hood) On top of all this the super star makes any enemy Kratos touches instantly be defeated. Since the only target for him at the start is the T-1000 Kratos rushes him and before T-1000 could do anything he would be destroyed, and before you argue that the T-1000 can regenerate himself it doesn’t matter the superstar defeats enemies that regenerate (https://www.mariowiki.com/Dry_Bones ) With the absolute decimation of T-1000 Kratos can use his speed to run over and help IW and Jake with Magneto and Blue, or help Jake with Nappa. Now how long the star effect would last changes on the game some games it’s only 10 seconds long but most are more than 16 seconds with some being 20 seconds long. so I’ll take the average and say he has the effects for 15 seconds I feel that’s fair. 15 Seconds is more than enough time time to defeat T-1000 get to the other fights and also defeat the combatants there.
I haven’t even used all my agents yet Sam and Dean in the Impala are able to join any of the fights too since T-1000 was instantly defeated by Kratos either way they can follow up Kratos with their own lethal force if needed through use of Deans Hyper-chainsaw hand or his “the first blade” possibly Deans most Iconic weapon or Angel blade. Sam also has the Colt which as I proved in my last battle has the ability to kill any being shot by it even immortal beings. If Jake can wrap up and hold Nappa a single shot from the colt is enough to take down the hulking brute, That is of course if he isn’t instantly defeated by Kratos too since because of the way the multiverse works Kratos and the Winchesters can help both battles simultaneously.
This is over. Oh and don’t you worry I have additional plans that I can and will probably use, I just don’t have the space to do so in this first post. If you want, you can just surrender now. It’s time for a new champion. Your turn, Show me your moves!
TURN 2. BLUE FALCONS
Blue Falcon Mission Control
Well this is funny. You’re not the first person to guarantee victory against me. Some idiot from last season called ‘Unseen Mammaries’ or something made a similar claim. It didn’t work out so well for him!
*Winks from behind sunglasses*
Such unfounded arrogance. At least I have a track record to back me up! I can tell you’ve tried to model your personality after mine, but your disrespect towards me is stunning. As you may recall, after you forfeited from our last match for unknown reasons, I asked the Commish to stop the clock and give you as much time as you need. Out of pure sportsmanship. You denied. And now you insult and provoke me? Truly classless.
Let’s start with Blue. Invisible Woman would assume his pokeballs are grenades? Grenades that he’s throwing down a foot in front of himself? Give me a break. While this is ridiculous, I also know it happens to be irrelevant. Blue would have his Pokemon out and ready before the teams encounter each other. He knows he’s walking into a battle, and he’s been in many before. He might be the most seasoned (and winningest) battler in the Ultiverse at this point.
Blue is firmly atop Latias, just as he has been in every battle before this. Latias, who has the move Protect, is Blues mighty defender. He also has Lucario and Mega Gengar as you may know. But I’d like to welcome the newest, and suddenly most important member: Espeon.
It is fitting that Espeon is a Psychic type because, while I had no foreknowledge that you were choosing IW, it perfectly counters her. I chose Espeon because of its ability: Magic Bounce. If you’re not familiar, Magic Bounce throws ANYTHING that isn’t a direct attack back in the opponents face, and it covers the whole party. This list has it ranked as the #2 ability in the entire game https://bit.ly/2DrcLhP
In the following link you will see the massive list of moves that Magic Bounce counters. https://bit.ly/2vh24K6. This ranges from entry hazards like Spikes, to status-inducing moves like Thunder Wave, to stat lowering moves like Flash, to ability hampering moves like Simple Beam, to mental manipulation such as Telekinesis or Disable. Literally anything that isn’t a direct attack is not only neutralized but sent back against the user. IW’s powers would no doubt fall under this wide spectrum as well. She would not be able to use her powers unless defensively.
Invisible Woman’s best bet is to turn invisible and flee. Except that Lucario could track her by her aura.
Sorry about that.
I see you’ve acknowledged Magneto as a god tier fighter, but if anyone should be grey listed on my team it is Nappa. Honestly, this will probably be the first and last battle Nappa will be allowed to participate in. I used the Dragon Balls on him not due to his origin but because he’s extremely overpowered in this league. Let me explain.
Nappa has a known power level of 4,000. In the entire scale of DBZ it is low, but when you look at the feats of characters with lower power levels, you’ll see that 4,000 is overkill for the UFF. You can use this as the reference for power levels: https://bit.ly/2PohDZJ
Radditz, a fellow Saiyan who had a power level of 1,500 is seen here catching a bullet at near point blank range. https://bit.ly/2Dq3CWC
Piccolo, who had very recently been defeated by the same Radditz, is shown here destroying the MOON with an energy blast. His power level under 1,000 at this time. https://bit.ly/2GwS98i
When Goku was a mere child he was already able to travel at a speed faster than the human eye could see. https://bit.ly/2IRB37Q. As a child Goku’s power level maxed out at 260. Someone worked out the math and a ball would have to be moving at 38,146mph in order to be invisible to the naked eye. It’d have to be faster than that though, since Goku is larger than a ball. This is approximately Mach 50. https://bit.ly/2DnUOAw
Here King Kai admits Nappa is stronger than he is. King Kai is a God. https://bit.ly/2IzOHNY
As for Nappa’s own feats, here he is toying with a Navy and Airforce. https://bit.ly/2DoNrsE
Here he nukes a city without using any visible effort. The explosion is visible from space and he doesn't have a scratch on him afterwards. https://bit.ly/2UsgGk0
I know you're easily confused, so let me explain the rationale for my 1v1. The reason I chose him to 1v1 Jake is because Jake is an otherwise formidable opponent that Nappa could outright crush in seconds, and then be able to assist the rest of my team. It’s a free win for me. So with that said, how could Jake pose any threat whatsoever to a mach-speed moving, planet busting, stronger than a God opponent? This is a Critical Point.
Now, as for Vader vs Finn, I think you know you’ve lost this one. Your video game argument has no merit unless Vader and Finn are behind a screen, playing with controllers. This is obviously not the case, as they are experiencing the game as if it were real life. You admit Vader hands down wins under these conditions, so I don’t have to get into much detail here. Vader is known as an exceptional pilot whose skills are further enhanced by the Force. An example of his skill https://bit.ly/2ULyQ5c
Does Finn have any experience piloting space ships at all? Honest question. HOW could Finn even dream of beating Vader in a space ship race when Vader is arguably the best pilot in the entire UFF? Another Critical Point.
As far as Kratos vs T-1000, well, I guess this match up has been forced on us due to the breakdown of the other match ups. T-1000 could definitely survive 15 seconds. It is durable enough to withstand shotgun blasts, and is entirely self regenerating even when damaged. It was only ever defeated after basically drowning in lava. Kratos is a brute force fighter who could put T-1000 down but not out. Plus, 15 seconds is about how long Nappa will need with Jake before moving on to assist his robotic ally. Nappa, as I’ve shown, is more powerful than Kratos. Kratos might be able to survive a few hits from Nappa but I see this as a one-sided fight. This leaves the T-1000 to terminate the Winchesters.
This is a slam dunk for The Blue Falcons. It might be time for you to use your 'additional plans'. If you don't forfeit again, that is.
Blue Falcon Mission Control
Well this is funny. You’re not the first person to guarantee victory against me. Some idiot from last season called ‘Unseen Mammaries’ or something made a similar claim. It didn’t work out so well for him!
*Winks from behind sunglasses*
Such unfounded arrogance. At least I have a track record to back me up! I can tell you’ve tried to model your personality after mine, but your disrespect towards me is stunning. As you may recall, after you forfeited from our last match for unknown reasons, I asked the Commish to stop the clock and give you as much time as you need. Out of pure sportsmanship. You denied. And now you insult and provoke me? Truly classless.
Let’s start with Blue. Invisible Woman would assume his pokeballs are grenades? Grenades that he’s throwing down a foot in front of himself? Give me a break. While this is ridiculous, I also know it happens to be irrelevant. Blue would have his Pokemon out and ready before the teams encounter each other. He knows he’s walking into a battle, and he’s been in many before. He might be the most seasoned (and winningest) battler in the Ultiverse at this point.
Blue is firmly atop Latias, just as he has been in every battle before this. Latias, who has the move Protect, is Blues mighty defender. He also has Lucario and Mega Gengar as you may know. But I’d like to welcome the newest, and suddenly most important member: Espeon.
It is fitting that Espeon is a Psychic type because, while I had no foreknowledge that you were choosing IW, it perfectly counters her. I chose Espeon because of its ability: Magic Bounce. If you’re not familiar, Magic Bounce throws ANYTHING that isn’t a direct attack back in the opponents face, and it covers the whole party. This list has it ranked as the #2 ability in the entire game https://bit.ly/2DrcLhP
In the following link you will see the massive list of moves that Magic Bounce counters. https://bit.ly/2vh24K6. This ranges from entry hazards like Spikes, to status-inducing moves like Thunder Wave, to stat lowering moves like Flash, to ability hampering moves like Simple Beam, to mental manipulation such as Telekinesis or Disable. Literally anything that isn’t a direct attack is not only neutralized but sent back against the user. IW’s powers would no doubt fall under this wide spectrum as well. She would not be able to use her powers unless defensively.
Invisible Woman’s best bet is to turn invisible and flee. Except that Lucario could track her by her aura.
Sorry about that.
I see you’ve acknowledged Magneto as a god tier fighter, but if anyone should be grey listed on my team it is Nappa. Honestly, this will probably be the first and last battle Nappa will be allowed to participate in. I used the Dragon Balls on him not due to his origin but because he’s extremely overpowered in this league. Let me explain.
Nappa has a known power level of 4,000. In the entire scale of DBZ it is low, but when you look at the feats of characters with lower power levels, you’ll see that 4,000 is overkill for the UFF. You can use this as the reference for power levels: https://bit.ly/2PohDZJ
Radditz, a fellow Saiyan who had a power level of 1,500 is seen here catching a bullet at near point blank range. https://bit.ly/2Dq3CWC
Piccolo, who had very recently been defeated by the same Radditz, is shown here destroying the MOON with an energy blast. His power level under 1,000 at this time. https://bit.ly/2GwS98i
When Goku was a mere child he was already able to travel at a speed faster than the human eye could see. https://bit.ly/2IRB37Q. As a child Goku’s power level maxed out at 260. Someone worked out the math and a ball would have to be moving at 38,146mph in order to be invisible to the naked eye. It’d have to be faster than that though, since Goku is larger than a ball. This is approximately Mach 50. https://bit.ly/2DnUOAw
Here King Kai admits Nappa is stronger than he is. King Kai is a God. https://bit.ly/2IzOHNY
As for Nappa’s own feats, here he is toying with a Navy and Airforce. https://bit.ly/2DoNrsE
Here he nukes a city without using any visible effort. The explosion is visible from space and he doesn't have a scratch on him afterwards. https://bit.ly/2UsgGk0
I know you're easily confused, so let me explain the rationale for my 1v1. The reason I chose him to 1v1 Jake is because Jake is an otherwise formidable opponent that Nappa could outright crush in seconds, and then be able to assist the rest of my team. It’s a free win for me. So with that said, how could Jake pose any threat whatsoever to a mach-speed moving, planet busting, stronger than a God opponent? This is a Critical Point.
Now, as for Vader vs Finn, I think you know you’ve lost this one. Your video game argument has no merit unless Vader and Finn are behind a screen, playing with controllers. This is obviously not the case, as they are experiencing the game as if it were real life. You admit Vader hands down wins under these conditions, so I don’t have to get into much detail here. Vader is known as an exceptional pilot whose skills are further enhanced by the Force. An example of his skill https://bit.ly/2ULyQ5c
Does Finn have any experience piloting space ships at all? Honest question. HOW could Finn even dream of beating Vader in a space ship race when Vader is arguably the best pilot in the entire UFF? Another Critical Point.
As far as Kratos vs T-1000, well, I guess this match up has been forced on us due to the breakdown of the other match ups. T-1000 could definitely survive 15 seconds. It is durable enough to withstand shotgun blasts, and is entirely self regenerating even when damaged. It was only ever defeated after basically drowning in lava. Kratos is a brute force fighter who could put T-1000 down but not out. Plus, 15 seconds is about how long Nappa will need with Jake before moving on to assist his robotic ally. Nappa, as I’ve shown, is more powerful than Kratos. Kratos might be able to survive a few hits from Nappa but I see this as a one-sided fight. This leaves the T-1000 to terminate the Winchesters.
This is a slam dunk for The Blue Falcons. It might be time for you to use your 'additional plans'. If you don't forfeit again, that is.
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Reply: Blue Falcon Mission Control
One small clarification on Piccolo. Goku and Piccolo managed to defeat Radditz together, so when I say Radditz defeated Piccolo I'm referring to their first encounter. It doesn't affect my main point though. Piccolo destroyed the moon while not having even half of Nappa's power. |
TURN 3: ADVENTURE TIME!
Aaridin
To start this next post I would like to thank my opponent for his sportsmanlike conduct in the last season I declined the time extension because I felt it wasn’t fair, even though all parties agreed to it, it was a very honorable and noble thing to do. OK! Being nice time is over back to the slaughter!
Ok lets start with the 2v2. I’m going to break this into two separate stories, one “the canon one” where Blue doesn’t start with all his pokemon out, and two “the BS one” where he does have them out.
Even if Blue had them out at the start of other match because the other didn’t argue this doesn’t mean he would here. Blue in every iteration of the character has NEVER had his pokemon out and following him. Blue doesn’t care for his pokemon, he only wants the strongest pokemon to do his winning he doesn’t care about gaining friendship with them, this is shown when Red beats Blue at the end of the indigo league and Prof. Oak says so (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Professor_Oak check quotes.) To help prove this Blue has never in any version of him had a pokemon that evolves from friendship. (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game) check pokemon.) To add even more prof Blue or his anime counterpart Gary has NEVER walked with a pokemon (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Walking_Pok%C3%A9mon check list of walking pokemon in the anime as well as the manga.) To say blue would have his pokemon out is uncharacteristic of him since he always waits to see his opponent then chooses his best counter for the situation, proven most famously when waiting for Red to choose a starter then picking the one that has the type advantage. Since I have proven Blue would not have his pokemon out it would mean he has to throw them. As for only throwing it a foot in front of him, no pokemon trainer has thrown a ball that short, they throw at least 10 feet from them and as we can see here, both trainers in the fight throw the pokeballs further than that (https://youtu.be/qhZK-eeGgd4?t=77 I could post hundred more links about how trainers throw their ball but it’s not needed) So my statement of IW thinking they could be grenades still stands true.
Now if Blue does start with his pokemon out which I just proved he wouldn’t but I got to cover all my bases. This is where you have made a tremendous mistake you said Espeon’s ability Magic bounce protects his entire team, that is incorrect Magic bounce only protect Espeon so Magic bounce would do nothing to protect Magneto or any of the other targets, this is proven in the links you posted about magic bounce. *awkward*. So even if Blue has his pokemon IW just needs to make a bubble around blue and his pokemon not just blue. The bubbles stop the pokemon. Latios can’t fly around, Lucario can’t attack, and best of all Gengar can’t “ghost” through the bubble since in the link I posted about IW in my last post if you look in the Psionic force fields section it talks about how she stops Red ghost (Red ghost’s ability is basically just that of a ghost, being able to become incorporeal allowing him to travel through things.) Which would leave only Espeon, with IW’s shield Jake would be protected from any psychic based attacks as proven in my last post IW’s barriers stop psychic based attacks, allowing him to wrap up and taking down Espeon.
Jake vs Nappa I find it funny how you post all these things that other people in DB(Z) do but very little about Nappa himself. Nappa has a high power level but has never traveled so fast that he can’t be seen much like Goku can. Nappa’s high power level must come from his insane physical strength and not so much his speed. (https://youtu.be/oAlYfgzePKw?t=961 ) this moment is the fastest he ever travels and it took him 33 seconds to get powered up to where he could be that fast (which is still slow in DB terms) while yes his punches and kicks are incredibly fast his running/flying speed is not. If he starts powering up to go after Jake then Jake will do the thing that he does often when against someone or something scary and imposing, he would shrink down and hide. Unless he is protecting someone he cares about Jake is a coward (https://youtu.be/kWZHJFVAhPE?t=70 just one example.) Which leads me to the first item you forgot about, Jake’s shield, with Jake shrunk down he can hide behind the shield easily stopping any attack thrown at him from Nappa. Nappa may be strong but the shield is stronger. Because of the time it takes Nappa to power up Kratos would be there to end him before anything even happens.
On to Kratos. You have again forgot about an item the effects of the Super star. The SS doesn't just make Kratos fast and invincible it also instantly defeats any enemy that Kratos would touch, no resurrections. Here is a video of the SS instantly defeating Bowser with one touch the strongest enemy in Mario.(https://youtu.be/zyh5MQQMyys?t=105 ) T-1000 is again instantly defeated within seconds because of Krato’s speed.(https://factpile.fandom.com/wiki/Kratos check speed) even without the boots of Hermes he is extremely fast (https://youtu.be/JrzMddB9V-o?t=430 ) this video shows that he is able to react to the speed of Hermes. This guys says it best (https://www.quora.com/How-fast-and-strong-is-Kratos-from-God-of-War ) So on top of his already impressive speed which transonic speed is around mach 1 or 1000 km/h you add on the speed of the bunny hood and the superstar (https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Bunny_Hood ) this link shows that the bunny hood increases speed by 68%, add on the speed of the super star (which I can’t find how much the increase is other than it’s significant) Kratos is easily traveling at over 2000 km/h meaning he could travel .5 km/sec allowing him to travel 7.5km in the time of the SS. Also there are two kratos! Kratos single handedly wins this fight and I wholly expect him to be banned next season along with Nappa and the Super star.
Finally Finn and Vader. (https://youtu.be/u1pc6teZGnw?t=990 ) this clip shows the controls of the ship are very basic something Finn could easily pick up. I also in my last point said Finn has been inside videogames before, Vader never has. On top of that you have left out my biggest strength. I brought with me civilians allowing me (the system) to have other support, it’s not just Finn vs Vader. Who better to beat this game then people who have played them before. With the addition of civilians some would join the game to prevent their city from being destroyed. Civilians like Dot and Enzo often join games even though they are not guardians like Bob. With a fleet of ships to help Finn they could easily defeat Vader much like this famous scene (https://youtu.be/2WBG2rJZGW8?t=779 ) or they could crash the ship into Vaders like they do in Reboot. With the support of Dot, Enzo and other sprites as well as everything I posted in the previous post Finn can easily win this match-up. Finn has been in/flown space ships in the past but only as co-pilot (picture bellow)
Everything past here is beyond 7000 words so it’s just for fun. Above I have defended both critical points and in some cases shown that my team is superior in multiple threads of possibility. I have shown more of my tricks but not all, there is still one or two up my sleeve. All in all I have to say I’m looking forward to your next post, I don’t see how you win but hey good luck.
Aaridin
To start this next post I would like to thank my opponent for his sportsmanlike conduct in the last season I declined the time extension because I felt it wasn’t fair, even though all parties agreed to it, it was a very honorable and noble thing to do. OK! Being nice time is over back to the slaughter!
Ok lets start with the 2v2. I’m going to break this into two separate stories, one “the canon one” where Blue doesn’t start with all his pokemon out, and two “the BS one” where he does have them out.
Even if Blue had them out at the start of other match because the other didn’t argue this doesn’t mean he would here. Blue in every iteration of the character has NEVER had his pokemon out and following him. Blue doesn’t care for his pokemon, he only wants the strongest pokemon to do his winning he doesn’t care about gaining friendship with them, this is shown when Red beats Blue at the end of the indigo league and Prof. Oak says so (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Professor_Oak check quotes.) To help prove this Blue has never in any version of him had a pokemon that evolves from friendship. (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game) check pokemon.) To add even more prof Blue or his anime counterpart Gary has NEVER walked with a pokemon (https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Walking_Pok%C3%A9mon check list of walking pokemon in the anime as well as the manga.) To say blue would have his pokemon out is uncharacteristic of him since he always waits to see his opponent then chooses his best counter for the situation, proven most famously when waiting for Red to choose a starter then picking the one that has the type advantage. Since I have proven Blue would not have his pokemon out it would mean he has to throw them. As for only throwing it a foot in front of him, no pokemon trainer has thrown a ball that short, they throw at least 10 feet from them and as we can see here, both trainers in the fight throw the pokeballs further than that (https://youtu.be/qhZK-eeGgd4?t=77 I could post hundred more links about how trainers throw their ball but it’s not needed) So my statement of IW thinking they could be grenades still stands true.
Now if Blue does start with his pokemon out which I just proved he wouldn’t but I got to cover all my bases. This is where you have made a tremendous mistake you said Espeon’s ability Magic bounce protects his entire team, that is incorrect Magic bounce only protect Espeon so Magic bounce would do nothing to protect Magneto or any of the other targets, this is proven in the links you posted about magic bounce. *awkward*. So even if Blue has his pokemon IW just needs to make a bubble around blue and his pokemon not just blue. The bubbles stop the pokemon. Latios can’t fly around, Lucario can’t attack, and best of all Gengar can’t “ghost” through the bubble since in the link I posted about IW in my last post if you look in the Psionic force fields section it talks about how she stops Red ghost (Red ghost’s ability is basically just that of a ghost, being able to become incorporeal allowing him to travel through things.) Which would leave only Espeon, with IW’s shield Jake would be protected from any psychic based attacks as proven in my last post IW’s barriers stop psychic based attacks, allowing him to wrap up and taking down Espeon.
Jake vs Nappa I find it funny how you post all these things that other people in DB(Z) do but very little about Nappa himself. Nappa has a high power level but has never traveled so fast that he can’t be seen much like Goku can. Nappa’s high power level must come from his insane physical strength and not so much his speed. (https://youtu.be/oAlYfgzePKw?t=961 ) this moment is the fastest he ever travels and it took him 33 seconds to get powered up to where he could be that fast (which is still slow in DB terms) while yes his punches and kicks are incredibly fast his running/flying speed is not. If he starts powering up to go after Jake then Jake will do the thing that he does often when against someone or something scary and imposing, he would shrink down and hide. Unless he is protecting someone he cares about Jake is a coward (https://youtu.be/kWZHJFVAhPE?t=70 just one example.) Which leads me to the first item you forgot about, Jake’s shield, with Jake shrunk down he can hide behind the shield easily stopping any attack thrown at him from Nappa. Nappa may be strong but the shield is stronger. Because of the time it takes Nappa to power up Kratos would be there to end him before anything even happens.
On to Kratos. You have again forgot about an item the effects of the Super star. The SS doesn't just make Kratos fast and invincible it also instantly defeats any enemy that Kratos would touch, no resurrections. Here is a video of the SS instantly defeating Bowser with one touch the strongest enemy in Mario.(https://youtu.be/zyh5MQQMyys?t=105 ) T-1000 is again instantly defeated within seconds because of Krato’s speed.(https://factpile.fandom.com/wiki/Kratos check speed) even without the boots of Hermes he is extremely fast (https://youtu.be/JrzMddB9V-o?t=430 ) this video shows that he is able to react to the speed of Hermes. This guys says it best (https://www.quora.com/How-fast-and-strong-is-Kratos-from-God-of-War ) So on top of his already impressive speed which transonic speed is around mach 1 or 1000 km/h you add on the speed of the bunny hood and the superstar (https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Bunny_Hood ) this link shows that the bunny hood increases speed by 68%, add on the speed of the super star (which I can’t find how much the increase is other than it’s significant) Kratos is easily traveling at over 2000 km/h meaning he could travel .5 km/sec allowing him to travel 7.5km in the time of the SS. Also there are two kratos! Kratos single handedly wins this fight and I wholly expect him to be banned next season along with Nappa and the Super star.
Finally Finn and Vader. (https://youtu.be/u1pc6teZGnw?t=990 ) this clip shows the controls of the ship are very basic something Finn could easily pick up. I also in my last point said Finn has been inside videogames before, Vader never has. On top of that you have left out my biggest strength. I brought with me civilians allowing me (the system) to have other support, it’s not just Finn vs Vader. Who better to beat this game then people who have played them before. With the addition of civilians some would join the game to prevent their city from being destroyed. Civilians like Dot and Enzo often join games even though they are not guardians like Bob. With a fleet of ships to help Finn they could easily defeat Vader much like this famous scene (https://youtu.be/2WBG2rJZGW8?t=779 ) or they could crash the ship into Vaders like they do in Reboot. With the support of Dot, Enzo and other sprites as well as everything I posted in the previous post Finn can easily win this match-up. Finn has been in/flown space ships in the past but only as co-pilot (picture bellow)
Everything past here is beyond 7000 words so it’s just for fun. Above I have defended both critical points and in some cases shown that my team is superior in multiple threads of possibility. I have shown more of my tricks but not all, there is still one or two up my sleeve. All in all I have to say I’m looking forward to your next post, I don’t see how you win but hey good luck.
TURN 4. BLUE FALCONS
Blue Falcon Mission Control
Well! Better late than never with the respect. I still won’t be going easy on you though. Your post may have sealed your fate. You’ve made so many unsubstantiated claims that I might win based on Repairs alone!
So. It is a bit ambiguous as to how teams eventually first face off in the UFF, but realistically the only way Blue doesn’t have his Pokemon already out would be if both teams were suddenly beamed onto the field, as if in Star Trek, directly in each other’s view. I’ve never thought of it this way and nor have I heard of this interpretation. It seems more natural that the teams are together for a period before encountering each other. Mainframe is a sprawling city so this is totally viable. And the 10 feet vs 1 foot thing is inconsequential when the fighters are, what, 250m away? You get what I meant.
Your background info on Blue only matters in the context of 1v1 Pokemon battling. In the context of the UFF he would have no reason NOT to have his entire squad out at once. The strict limitations on proper Pokemon battling have never been in effect here. If previous experience accounts for anything in the UFF then Blue will have his team ready to battle as the battle begins.
On Magic Bounce not protecting the entire party: Untrue
From the Triple Battle article (closest parallel to team vs team): “A Magic Bounce Pokémon can still reflect entry hazards even if the user of the entry hazard and itself are at opposite corners of the field because entry hazards affect the entire team.” https://bit.ly/2ISV3Hr. It’s important because Pokemon on opposite corners of a triples battle normally cannot interact with each other. From the same link: “Generally, Pokémon on the left-side of the field cannot attack any one on the right-side (including allies), and vice versa.”
What’s more, I think you missed the part about how Magic Bounce turns the move around and affects the user. A bubble-eque trap would end up with Sue either trapping herself (even if briefly) or just cancelling out her own shield. Either way she is vulnerable.
Plus, your argument that she’d target Magneto hinges on her seeing him at all. He has MKG and there’s no way she could see him while he’s in the cockpit. Your team has no intel at all. The argument falls apart. IW would inevitably target Blue at be thwarted by her own power.
From her wiki: “ Weaknesses
Concentration: The size, number, and movements of these objects are limited only by her powers of concentration. Once she stops concentrating on an object, it ceases to exist.” - https://bit.ly/2vlkBVG
I find it hard to believe she could hold concentration on that many bubbles in the first place. How many things can you concentrate on at once? Two? Try paying attention to a book you’re reading and holding a conversation simultaneously. Not so easy.
Sustained pressure from four powerful Pokemon + a skyscraper leveling mech, featuring Magneto who can still wield a cityscape full of metal offensively and defensively, would be enough to break IW and Jake.
Your claim that Nappa is slow is straight up false. Speed and strength scale together with power levels in DBZ, and anyone who has watched it can attest. I have proof that he has moved faster than even Gohan could see, and Gohan’s own power level at the time was 981, MUCH higher than Goku when he was at 260 and moving faster than sight. See my original power level source for the 981.
Before the Z fighters fought Nappa they fought some henchmen called the Saibamen, with a power level of 1,500 each. Gohan could not detect their movements. “While Yamcha and one Saibaman fight, Gohan cannot keep with their speed through his eyes alone” - https://bit.ly/2PvP9gO
4 of the 6 Saibamen were destroyed by Piccolo and Krillin alone. https://bit.ly/2Vw44wZ
In this scene we see Piccolo and Krillin each essentially triple their speed in a 6v1 vs Nappa and they get rekt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n77kfhhQpc&t. Just because you can see people trade blows in DBZ doesn’t mean they are meant to be depicted in real time. Fighters MUCH faster than young Goku are often fully visible to the viewer.
Nappa only powered up against Goku because he was losing. If Jake decides to cower and hide under the shield then Nappa simply…grabs the shield for himself. A tiny Jake could never grasp the shield, and Nappa could still locate an extremely tiny Jake due to his power level, thanks to his iconic Scouter. One laser blast in his general vicinity and Jake is disintegrated. Nappa can now take a look at Kratos’ power level and decide if he’s worth powering up for. Unlikely, but he has 15 seconds to kill after all.
On to Kratos. You’re nuts if you think the Superstar = One hit KO on every opponent. Maybe that’s enough to kill a Goomba, but it doesn’t even work like that in Mario Kart, where it has the same damaging effect as being hit by a shell. In Smash Bros is has no offensive utility at all. Overall, sure, it might slightly bolster attack power. But instant kill on everything? I shouldn’t even have to humour this.
Speed doesn’t matter in this fight at all. T-1000’s greatest strength is its near invulnerability. Blunt force can put it down but not out. It will always reform its body using its liquid nano technology. See 1:40 onwards https://bit.ly/2UU5ou2
Nappa spots decent power level! Wow, neat! But if Kratos can only move around Mach 2 then this is truly no contest. Double Cherry is not a factor because it’s gone after taking just one hit. “The clones disintegrate if harmed” - from your source. Plus, I’ve just shown how well Nappa can perform vs 6 opponents who can move at mach speeds. With the SS worn off as quickly as it was used, this is about to be a beatdown.
If you really want to start a Nappa vs Winchesters thread then uh, thanks for the points. Bullets are moving so slow compared to Nappa’s movement speed that they’d never break his skin. Not to mention his durability. It’d be kind of like a dandelion hitting you in the wind. Nappa would erase Sam and Dean in any way he pleases.
Sam and Dean cannot dodge or survive gunfire and would fall to an unstoppable T-1000 while Kratos and Nappa fight. The Colt revolver might have some magic demon-killing power, but to the T-1000 it would be just another bullet. If you shot a tank with the Colt, would the tank ‘die’? It seems a lot of your arguments are based on hopeful one-shot kill items that wouldn’t translate outside of their universe.
Finn having been inside of a game before is no factor unless it were this same game. Vader has UFF experience within Mainframe for a few fights now. If there is an edge to having digital experience here, it goes to Vader.
Your big trump card is civilians? All of the civilians who played this game were dead by the end due to its difficulty. Only Megabyte, Bob and Dot survived, and I don’t think they would be considered ‘civilians’ and compete in this game. Finn has no plot armor to protect him through an asteroid belt and a winding cave. In case you need more proof that Vader is a legendary pilot: https://bit.ly/2IzQcLJ
I have shown more of my tricks but not all, there is still one or two up my sleeve. All in all I have to say I’m looking forward to your next post, I don’t see how you win but hey good luck.
Blue Falcon Mission Control
Well! Better late than never with the respect. I still won’t be going easy on you though. Your post may have sealed your fate. You’ve made so many unsubstantiated claims that I might win based on Repairs alone!
So. It is a bit ambiguous as to how teams eventually first face off in the UFF, but realistically the only way Blue doesn’t have his Pokemon already out would be if both teams were suddenly beamed onto the field, as if in Star Trek, directly in each other’s view. I’ve never thought of it this way and nor have I heard of this interpretation. It seems more natural that the teams are together for a period before encountering each other. Mainframe is a sprawling city so this is totally viable. And the 10 feet vs 1 foot thing is inconsequential when the fighters are, what, 250m away? You get what I meant.
Your background info on Blue only matters in the context of 1v1 Pokemon battling. In the context of the UFF he would have no reason NOT to have his entire squad out at once. The strict limitations on proper Pokemon battling have never been in effect here. If previous experience accounts for anything in the UFF then Blue will have his team ready to battle as the battle begins.
On Magic Bounce not protecting the entire party: Untrue
From the Triple Battle article (closest parallel to team vs team): “A Magic Bounce Pokémon can still reflect entry hazards even if the user of the entry hazard and itself are at opposite corners of the field because entry hazards affect the entire team.” https://bit.ly/2ISV3Hr. It’s important because Pokemon on opposite corners of a triples battle normally cannot interact with each other. From the same link: “Generally, Pokémon on the left-side of the field cannot attack any one on the right-side (including allies), and vice versa.”
What’s more, I think you missed the part about how Magic Bounce turns the move around and affects the user. A bubble-eque trap would end up with Sue either trapping herself (even if briefly) or just cancelling out her own shield. Either way she is vulnerable.
Plus, your argument that she’d target Magneto hinges on her seeing him at all. He has MKG and there’s no way she could see him while he’s in the cockpit. Your team has no intel at all. The argument falls apart. IW would inevitably target Blue at be thwarted by her own power.
From her wiki: “ Weaknesses
Concentration: The size, number, and movements of these objects are limited only by her powers of concentration. Once she stops concentrating on an object, it ceases to exist.” - https://bit.ly/2vlkBVG
I find it hard to believe she could hold concentration on that many bubbles in the first place. How many things can you concentrate on at once? Two? Try paying attention to a book you’re reading and holding a conversation simultaneously. Not so easy.
Sustained pressure from four powerful Pokemon + a skyscraper leveling mech, featuring Magneto who can still wield a cityscape full of metal offensively and defensively, would be enough to break IW and Jake.
Your claim that Nappa is slow is straight up false. Speed and strength scale together with power levels in DBZ, and anyone who has watched it can attest. I have proof that he has moved faster than even Gohan could see, and Gohan’s own power level at the time was 981, MUCH higher than Goku when he was at 260 and moving faster than sight. See my original power level source for the 981.
Before the Z fighters fought Nappa they fought some henchmen called the Saibamen, with a power level of 1,500 each. Gohan could not detect their movements. “While Yamcha and one Saibaman fight, Gohan cannot keep with their speed through his eyes alone” - https://bit.ly/2PvP9gO
4 of the 6 Saibamen were destroyed by Piccolo and Krillin alone. https://bit.ly/2Vw44wZ
In this scene we see Piccolo and Krillin each essentially triple their speed in a 6v1 vs Nappa and they get rekt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n77kfhhQpc&t. Just because you can see people trade blows in DBZ doesn’t mean they are meant to be depicted in real time. Fighters MUCH faster than young Goku are often fully visible to the viewer.
Nappa only powered up against Goku because he was losing. If Jake decides to cower and hide under the shield then Nappa simply…grabs the shield for himself. A tiny Jake could never grasp the shield, and Nappa could still locate an extremely tiny Jake due to his power level, thanks to his iconic Scouter. One laser blast in his general vicinity and Jake is disintegrated. Nappa can now take a look at Kratos’ power level and decide if he’s worth powering up for. Unlikely, but he has 15 seconds to kill after all.
On to Kratos. You’re nuts if you think the Superstar = One hit KO on every opponent. Maybe that’s enough to kill a Goomba, but it doesn’t even work like that in Mario Kart, where it has the same damaging effect as being hit by a shell. In Smash Bros is has no offensive utility at all. Overall, sure, it might slightly bolster attack power. But instant kill on everything? I shouldn’t even have to humour this.
Speed doesn’t matter in this fight at all. T-1000’s greatest strength is its near invulnerability. Blunt force can put it down but not out. It will always reform its body using its liquid nano technology. See 1:40 onwards https://bit.ly/2UU5ou2
Nappa spots decent power level! Wow, neat! But if Kratos can only move around Mach 2 then this is truly no contest. Double Cherry is not a factor because it’s gone after taking just one hit. “The clones disintegrate if harmed” - from your source. Plus, I’ve just shown how well Nappa can perform vs 6 opponents who can move at mach speeds. With the SS worn off as quickly as it was used, this is about to be a beatdown.
If you really want to start a Nappa vs Winchesters thread then uh, thanks for the points. Bullets are moving so slow compared to Nappa’s movement speed that they’d never break his skin. Not to mention his durability. It’d be kind of like a dandelion hitting you in the wind. Nappa would erase Sam and Dean in any way he pleases.
Sam and Dean cannot dodge or survive gunfire and would fall to an unstoppable T-1000 while Kratos and Nappa fight. The Colt revolver might have some magic demon-killing power, but to the T-1000 it would be just another bullet. If you shot a tank with the Colt, would the tank ‘die’? It seems a lot of your arguments are based on hopeful one-shot kill items that wouldn’t translate outside of their universe.
Finn having been inside of a game before is no factor unless it were this same game. Vader has UFF experience within Mainframe for a few fights now. If there is an edge to having digital experience here, it goes to Vader.
Your big trump card is civilians? All of the civilians who played this game were dead by the end due to its difficulty. Only Megabyte, Bob and Dot survived, and I don’t think they would be considered ‘civilians’ and compete in this game. Finn has no plot armor to protect him through an asteroid belt and a winding cave. In case you need more proof that Vader is a legendary pilot: https://bit.ly/2IzQcLJ
I have shown more of my tricks but not all, there is still one or two up my sleeve. All in all I have to say I’m looking forward to your next post, I don’t see how you win but hey good luck.
TURN 5: ADVENTURE TIME!
Aaridin
Wait you say I make false claims with no back up. You’re joking right? Did you read your own post?
So now you’re saying we are 250 meters apart? You do know that there is a Utility that has that exact distance apart and it’s called long range. In fact Assumption criteria #10 states “At the moment a battle begins an agent and utility will be within close proximity to an agent and utility of the same agency and is at a visibly recognizable distance of an equal footing to the opposing agency unless specified by a Table Trait.” the important words being visibly recognizable distance. I don’t know about you but it’s hard to visibly recognize someone from ¼ of a kilometer away. We would then be somewhere closer to 125 feet to have proper visible recognition of each other.
The only evidence of magic bounce protecting others is with the entry hazards (spikes, toxic spikes, and stealth rock) it does not protect its allies if for example thunder wave was cast on it’s teammates. So saying that it would reflect the force fields has no value because as I stated in my last post IW does not cast her force field on each of the pokemon but rather all of them at once, one big bubble (I’m sorry if that was unclear.) So IW is making 4 total barriers one on blue and the pokemon, one on magneto, one on Jake and one on herself. Now saying she wouldn’t be able to concentrate on that with your argument being that reading and talking to someone is hard also doesn’t hold any weight because she isn’t trying to concentrate on 4 different things she’s concentrating on the same thing 4 times. Try moving your fingers, toes, legs, arms, and head all at once, it’s not that hard and can easily be done for an extended amount of time. On top of that IW can turn off and create force fields instantaneously so if she needs to she can also “bubble up” MKG even if she has no intel on Magneto he’s now just trapped in a bigger bubble nothing changes since as I proved in a previous post powers cannot be used through her shields. Again much like the Jake vs Nappa fight these two don’t need to win they just need to stall Since Kratos can much like with Nappa defeat everyone just by touch.
Which leads me to the Super star. You have made a bold and unfortunate claim you’re saying that the SS doesn’t work the same in smash bros, but this star isn’t from smash bros it’s from the Mario series (check the utilities) it also acts slightly different in each version of the games and while yes the mario kart games doesn’t have it instantly defeating the opponents it does in almost every iteration and we have to take the most iconic form and when one thinks of the SS from super mario games they think about running really fast killing everything Mario touches not the version of smash bros or any other iteration. You’re trying really hard to disprove this but you know it’s true T-1000 is destroyed by invincible kratos. (https://youtu.be/D8dIA8nOsdc?t=497 ) there is a video showing mario again just destroying everything he touches. Including constructed creatures (thwomps) like how T-1000 is constructed.
So again Kratos can defeat T-1000 in two seconds then it would take him at max 3 more seconds to reach either of the other fights leaving him 10 seconds to defeat everyone else again with just a single touch.
Now onto Nappa. Once again you provide links of other characters speed but not Nappa’s again you said so and so is faster than Nappa but has a lower power level so Nappa must be faster. Throughout the show we never see Nappa do the “blink” thing other characters do to show how fast they are going. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eehv-7lVK_g I don’t know what it’s called but you know what I mean when they become blurs for a moment to show how fast they are going.) Again like I stated in a previous post he only shows that kind of speed with punches and kicks not movement (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nappa look under speed. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Son_Goku_(Dragon_Ball) here is Kid Goku’s for comparison since that was the caparison you tried to make earlier.) Also can you provide where in a link we are to look? You claim Gohan couldn’t see a fight then post a link to Gohan’s page with no indication of where to find this. I’m not spending hours reading a massive wiki page to find one tiny bit of info. If Nappa does just go to pick up the shield that Jake is hiding under you claim that Jake wouldn’t be able to hold onto it? Why is that? If Nappa picks up the shield Jake would go up with it and when Nappa is distracted with the confusion of no Jake under the shield he can take that moment to wrap up Nappa and I will iderate once again he only needs to hold him there for about 5 seconds before Kratos can defeat Nappa.
Now to the defeat of Vader I would absolutely be able to have Dot and Enzo since by the definition of Civilian (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian ) Dot and Enzo are not members of armed forces in the way Bob would be since he is a guardian. Dot and Enzo are just civilians who like to help. Also being in mainframe does not mean you were in a game that would be like saying since i live next to a baseball diamond I’m now a baseball player, it doesn’t work like that. On top of the help Finn would have with other experienced sprites there he also has access to excalibur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur they changed the wiki page since my last match annoying i know but check under other versions) when Finn draws forth the sword it would cause a blinding light to Vader preventing him from seeing allowing either Finn or one of the sprites to shot him or he could crash the ship. Now before you say that Vader can see through the force I’m here to tell you he cannot (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force_sight ) Vader or Anakin has never been shown to use the ability to see through the force, see the future? Sure but not to be able to see around him if he could not. The link does say that it’s a “basic force ability” but we have to remember Anakin started his Jedi training way older than other Jedi and would have probably skipped a few things. Since we have evidence that Vader has force sight he would be affected by the blinding light giving Finn the upperhand.
Maybe everyone has forgotten Krato’s fighting style he is fast and brutal he often goes up against opponents of greater strength and speed but once he gets his blades into your skin you’re already dead. As I have proven Kratos has insane reaction speed (being able to dodge lightning and the attacks of Hermes) So he could also dodge attacks from Nappa (remember he has the bunny hood) also Kratos is notorious for using his own opponents strength and weight against them (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEWUrOfq2uc&t= ) Even if Kratos didn’t have the instant kill star power (which he does) Kratos can and will still defeat Nappa in combat.
Nothing can get past IW’s shields and nothing can stop Kratos, I have both an unstoppable force and an immovable object, what do you got?
Aaridin
Wait you say I make false claims with no back up. You’re joking right? Did you read your own post?
So now you’re saying we are 250 meters apart? You do know that there is a Utility that has that exact distance apart and it’s called long range. In fact Assumption criteria #10 states “At the moment a battle begins an agent and utility will be within close proximity to an agent and utility of the same agency and is at a visibly recognizable distance of an equal footing to the opposing agency unless specified by a Table Trait.” the important words being visibly recognizable distance. I don’t know about you but it’s hard to visibly recognize someone from ¼ of a kilometer away. We would then be somewhere closer to 125 feet to have proper visible recognition of each other.
The only evidence of magic bounce protecting others is with the entry hazards (spikes, toxic spikes, and stealth rock) it does not protect its allies if for example thunder wave was cast on it’s teammates. So saying that it would reflect the force fields has no value because as I stated in my last post IW does not cast her force field on each of the pokemon but rather all of them at once, one big bubble (I’m sorry if that was unclear.) So IW is making 4 total barriers one on blue and the pokemon, one on magneto, one on Jake and one on herself. Now saying she wouldn’t be able to concentrate on that with your argument being that reading and talking to someone is hard also doesn’t hold any weight because she isn’t trying to concentrate on 4 different things she’s concentrating on the same thing 4 times. Try moving your fingers, toes, legs, arms, and head all at once, it’s not that hard and can easily be done for an extended amount of time. On top of that IW can turn off and create force fields instantaneously so if she needs to she can also “bubble up” MKG even if she has no intel on Magneto he’s now just trapped in a bigger bubble nothing changes since as I proved in a previous post powers cannot be used through her shields. Again much like the Jake vs Nappa fight these two don’t need to win they just need to stall Since Kratos can much like with Nappa defeat everyone just by touch.
Which leads me to the Super star. You have made a bold and unfortunate claim you’re saying that the SS doesn’t work the same in smash bros, but this star isn’t from smash bros it’s from the Mario series (check the utilities) it also acts slightly different in each version of the games and while yes the mario kart games doesn’t have it instantly defeating the opponents it does in almost every iteration and we have to take the most iconic form and when one thinks of the SS from super mario games they think about running really fast killing everything Mario touches not the version of smash bros or any other iteration. You’re trying really hard to disprove this but you know it’s true T-1000 is destroyed by invincible kratos. (https://youtu.be/D8dIA8nOsdc?t=497 ) there is a video showing mario again just destroying everything he touches. Including constructed creatures (thwomps) like how T-1000 is constructed.
So again Kratos can defeat T-1000 in two seconds then it would take him at max 3 more seconds to reach either of the other fights leaving him 10 seconds to defeat everyone else again with just a single touch.
Now onto Nappa. Once again you provide links of other characters speed but not Nappa’s again you said so and so is faster than Nappa but has a lower power level so Nappa must be faster. Throughout the show we never see Nappa do the “blink” thing other characters do to show how fast they are going. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eehv-7lVK_g I don’t know what it’s called but you know what I mean when they become blurs for a moment to show how fast they are going.) Again like I stated in a previous post he only shows that kind of speed with punches and kicks not movement (https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Nappa look under speed. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Son_Goku_(Dragon_Ball) here is Kid Goku’s for comparison since that was the caparison you tried to make earlier.) Also can you provide where in a link we are to look? You claim Gohan couldn’t see a fight then post a link to Gohan’s page with no indication of where to find this. I’m not spending hours reading a massive wiki page to find one tiny bit of info. If Nappa does just go to pick up the shield that Jake is hiding under you claim that Jake wouldn’t be able to hold onto it? Why is that? If Nappa picks up the shield Jake would go up with it and when Nappa is distracted with the confusion of no Jake under the shield he can take that moment to wrap up Nappa and I will iderate once again he only needs to hold him there for about 5 seconds before Kratos can defeat Nappa.
Now to the defeat of Vader I would absolutely be able to have Dot and Enzo since by the definition of Civilian (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian ) Dot and Enzo are not members of armed forces in the way Bob would be since he is a guardian. Dot and Enzo are just civilians who like to help. Also being in mainframe does not mean you were in a game that would be like saying since i live next to a baseball diamond I’m now a baseball player, it doesn’t work like that. On top of the help Finn would have with other experienced sprites there he also has access to excalibur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur they changed the wiki page since my last match annoying i know but check under other versions) when Finn draws forth the sword it would cause a blinding light to Vader preventing him from seeing allowing either Finn or one of the sprites to shot him or he could crash the ship. Now before you say that Vader can see through the force I’m here to tell you he cannot (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Force_sight ) Vader or Anakin has never been shown to use the ability to see through the force, see the future? Sure but not to be able to see around him if he could not. The link does say that it’s a “basic force ability” but we have to remember Anakin started his Jedi training way older than other Jedi and would have probably skipped a few things. Since we have evidence that Vader has force sight he would be affected by the blinding light giving Finn the upperhand.
Maybe everyone has forgotten Krato’s fighting style he is fast and brutal he often goes up against opponents of greater strength and speed but once he gets his blades into your skin you’re already dead. As I have proven Kratos has insane reaction speed (being able to dodge lightning and the attacks of Hermes) So he could also dodge attacks from Nappa (remember he has the bunny hood) also Kratos is notorious for using his own opponents strength and weight against them (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEWUrOfq2uc&t= ) Even if Kratos didn’t have the instant kill star power (which he does) Kratos can and will still defeat Nappa in combat.
Nothing can get past IW’s shields and nothing can stop Kratos, I have both an unstoppable force and an immovable object, what do you got?
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Reply: Aaridin
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TURN 6. BLUE FALCONS
Blue Falcon Mission Control
I’m amused you took the time to correct one typo as if it were the only one. You don’t have to post within an hour you know. Maybe you should take your time a little more next season.
If you're gonna throw the book at me on distances you could at least get it right. 125 feet is 38m, which is less than the lowest possible denomination (50m, melee range), which is also a purchasable item. Heck, the average distance between all of the 4 range items is 350m. Which is definitely considered close range to much of the UFF, who can move at superhuman speed. The Commish himself said in my fight with Info Dump that while the criterion is ambiguous, 250m seemed most reasonable given that there is was kaiju in the mix. Pretty sure I could recognize MKG from pretty far away. At 38m you are gonna get stepped on by an 80,000 ton giant. Something tells me that would take up all of Sue's concentration.
Speaking of concentration, and holding weight, I think my concentration analogy holds more weight than yours. Moving your body is second nature, much like breathing. You actually have to, uh, concentrate to read a book. But now you're changing your story to say Sue would encase MKG in a bubble and still have enough concentration to bubble up herself, Jake, and my entire Pokemon team at once, completely ignoring Magic Bounce here? Sue is Invisible Woman, not Invincible Woman. Saying nothing gets past her shield is flat wrong. She has been broken before. Here are a quick FIVE examples. Behold:
https://i.imgur.com/RcXJACf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uqpYYIU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CnjYcUQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7xefR9I.png
https://i.imgur.com/FMj4f4A.jpg
As you can see from the last one, breaking her shields causes her pain and leaves her stunned. She looks to be in pain in the other examples as well. Even IF she could contain MKG, she has to deal with its entire 80,000 ton weight, firing weaponry, and the multiplier effect that is Magneto pushing MKG against the bubble even harder with magnesis. If she is to maintain this then there's no way she's focusing on protecting herself and Jake as well. If Sue is casting one big bubble on my entire party of Pokemon, as you claim, then it would be reflected since Espeon is in that party. Entry hazards get bounced back since they affect the entire party so a bubble would be no different. Since my Pokemon are undeniably untouched thanks to Magic Bounce, they are free to launch an assault. It makes sense for Jake to protect her here with his shield, but Espeon has a Trick up its sleeve.
The squad has intel on Jake and will know this shield is an extra item he has; not part of his normal arsenal. Espeon uses the move Trick on him and psychically swaps their items. Espeon now has the shield and Jake has...nothing. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Trick_(move)
Espeon also has the move Charm which will lower Jake's attack by 50%. Cutting it in half. This can be used repeatedly. When you factor in Reflect, Jake is throwing pillows for punches. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Charm_(move)
Sue needs to be hit only once to be taken out if she isn't protected. An Extreme Speed by Lucario should do the job the instant she is open. That leaves a crippled, shieldless Jake cowering away into the sub-atomic world.
Now, from your own SS source: "Most projectiles or enemies that come into contact with the user of the Star while it is activated are destroyed, damaged, or knocked off screen (depending on the type of enemy and what game it is)"
I think that says it all. Some enemies merely take damage. Depending on the enemy. Depending on the game. Not as cut and dry as you claim. My point stands. Wait sorry, let me clarify: that Starman quote is in paragraph 1, line 4. Since you apparently don't know how to use the search function when looking at a source. Hint: Try CTRL+F! You can try Alt+F4 as well.
Wow you've never seen Nappa do the 'blink' thing. Much more convincing than everything I've shown so far. Not seeing the blink thing means nothing because, like I said earlier, the viewer’s version of events is not meant to be taken as real time. Nappa's speed in your source is ‘Relativistic’ because his screen time is limited compared to most characters, so you have to infer his speed relative to theirs. That doesn't = slow. I've already shown how fast they are, and I've shown Nappa outspeeding them in combat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlYfgzePKw&t=1194s If you watch him fight Goku once Nappa is at full power (16:37 onwards) you’ll see Nappa was fairly competitive against Goku’s combat speed. Based on this, I suspect 4,000 is merely his power level before powering up. He’s probably closer to 7,000 at full power. If you keep watching until 19:10 we see Nappa a few feet from Goku. He descends for a few seconds and starts flying towards Gohan and Krillin. Goku, whose power level is famously over 9,000 at this point, is in pursuit for about 20 ‘seconds’ and fails to catch him. To catch him he has to use the Kaio Ken technique which doubles his power. If Nappa were as slow as you claim then I think Goku, whose power level is over 35x higher than when he was a child, would be able to catch up to him instantly despite his head start.
And sure, maybe Jake holds on to the shield. Nappa would see him shrinking but still see his power level on his scouter. He just flips it over and blasts. The result here is always the same; the shield is no help. If you think Jake can overpower Nappa by wrapping his arms around him then you haven’t been paying attention. Plus, if Jakes ‘5 second’ plan is to stall and wait for Kratos then you have this all backwards. Kratos can’t interfere with a 1v1. Only the winner of this bout can intervene in the other fights.
I haven’t yet addressed the Bunny Hood because it disappears pretty quickly as well. And it only buffs running speed, not combat speed. Total non-factor vs Nappa who is much faster in any right. Kratos is objectively too weak and slow to challenge Nappa. Let’s also not forget about the added maneuverability of flight. Kratos is grounded and Nappa can fly circles around him, firing nuke-level energy beams from range if he wishes. Kratos is very strong and fast, but Nappa, General of the Saiyan army, would defeat Kratos just as easily as he would defeat Jake and the Winchester bros.
The Dot and Enzo thing will obviously be up to the judges. It makes no difference. Vader could literally outfly them all blindfolded.
Excalibur’s questionable blinding light is much more likely to blind Finn than someone in a different ship, you fool! And you’re trying to deny Darth Vader a basic force power because he maybe hopefully skipped that class? Is this what this battle has become??
See, as a proven genius, I’ve realized there’s a certain cadence to this UFF thing. You furiously spew out a post as soon as you read mine, but I carefully prepare and methodically wait until the time is right. The honour of UFF champion means so much to me that I decided to turn down a beautiful woman’s request to meet up tonight.
“No, babe” I said.
“I need to post something on the Internet at exactly 11:59, babe” I also said.
She understood once I said “It has to do with that trophy in my room”
My hope here is that you learn from me. I can’t help you with women, obviously, but as a bonafide humanitarian my wish is that you’ll learn to take some time to reflect. Not only on your uneducated arguments, but on your life.
No, don’t start a religion in my name. That’s not what I ask. Start your own religion. In your own name. For yourself.
-Dan “The Prophet” Hopper
Blue Falcon Mission Control
I’m amused you took the time to correct one typo as if it were the only one. You don’t have to post within an hour you know. Maybe you should take your time a little more next season.
If you're gonna throw the book at me on distances you could at least get it right. 125 feet is 38m, which is less than the lowest possible denomination (50m, melee range), which is also a purchasable item. Heck, the average distance between all of the 4 range items is 350m. Which is definitely considered close range to much of the UFF, who can move at superhuman speed. The Commish himself said in my fight with Info Dump that while the criterion is ambiguous, 250m seemed most reasonable given that there is was kaiju in the mix. Pretty sure I could recognize MKG from pretty far away. At 38m you are gonna get stepped on by an 80,000 ton giant. Something tells me that would take up all of Sue's concentration.
Speaking of concentration, and holding weight, I think my concentration analogy holds more weight than yours. Moving your body is second nature, much like breathing. You actually have to, uh, concentrate to read a book. But now you're changing your story to say Sue would encase MKG in a bubble and still have enough concentration to bubble up herself, Jake, and my entire Pokemon team at once, completely ignoring Magic Bounce here? Sue is Invisible Woman, not Invincible Woman. Saying nothing gets past her shield is flat wrong. She has been broken before. Here are a quick FIVE examples. Behold:
https://i.imgur.com/RcXJACf.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/uqpYYIU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CnjYcUQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/7xefR9I.png
https://i.imgur.com/FMj4f4A.jpg
As you can see from the last one, breaking her shields causes her pain and leaves her stunned. She looks to be in pain in the other examples as well. Even IF she could contain MKG, she has to deal with its entire 80,000 ton weight, firing weaponry, and the multiplier effect that is Magneto pushing MKG against the bubble even harder with magnesis. If she is to maintain this then there's no way she's focusing on protecting herself and Jake as well. If Sue is casting one big bubble on my entire party of Pokemon, as you claim, then it would be reflected since Espeon is in that party. Entry hazards get bounced back since they affect the entire party so a bubble would be no different. Since my Pokemon are undeniably untouched thanks to Magic Bounce, they are free to launch an assault. It makes sense for Jake to protect her here with his shield, but Espeon has a Trick up its sleeve.
The squad has intel on Jake and will know this shield is an extra item he has; not part of his normal arsenal. Espeon uses the move Trick on him and psychically swaps their items. Espeon now has the shield and Jake has...nothing. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Trick_(move)
Espeon also has the move Charm which will lower Jake's attack by 50%. Cutting it in half. This can be used repeatedly. When you factor in Reflect, Jake is throwing pillows for punches. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Charm_(move)
Sue needs to be hit only once to be taken out if she isn't protected. An Extreme Speed by Lucario should do the job the instant she is open. That leaves a crippled, shieldless Jake cowering away into the sub-atomic world.
Now, from your own SS source: "Most projectiles or enemies that come into contact with the user of the Star while it is activated are destroyed, damaged, or knocked off screen (depending on the type of enemy and what game it is)"
I think that says it all. Some enemies merely take damage. Depending on the enemy. Depending on the game. Not as cut and dry as you claim. My point stands. Wait sorry, let me clarify: that Starman quote is in paragraph 1, line 4. Since you apparently don't know how to use the search function when looking at a source. Hint: Try CTRL+F! You can try Alt+F4 as well.
Wow you've never seen Nappa do the 'blink' thing. Much more convincing than everything I've shown so far. Not seeing the blink thing means nothing because, like I said earlier, the viewer’s version of events is not meant to be taken as real time. Nappa's speed in your source is ‘Relativistic’ because his screen time is limited compared to most characters, so you have to infer his speed relative to theirs. That doesn't = slow. I've already shown how fast they are, and I've shown Nappa outspeeding them in combat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAlYfgzePKw&t=1194s If you watch him fight Goku once Nappa is at full power (16:37 onwards) you’ll see Nappa was fairly competitive against Goku’s combat speed. Based on this, I suspect 4,000 is merely his power level before powering up. He’s probably closer to 7,000 at full power. If you keep watching until 19:10 we see Nappa a few feet from Goku. He descends for a few seconds and starts flying towards Gohan and Krillin. Goku, whose power level is famously over 9,000 at this point, is in pursuit for about 20 ‘seconds’ and fails to catch him. To catch him he has to use the Kaio Ken technique which doubles his power. If Nappa were as slow as you claim then I think Goku, whose power level is over 35x higher than when he was a child, would be able to catch up to him instantly despite his head start.
And sure, maybe Jake holds on to the shield. Nappa would see him shrinking but still see his power level on his scouter. He just flips it over and blasts. The result here is always the same; the shield is no help. If you think Jake can overpower Nappa by wrapping his arms around him then you haven’t been paying attention. Plus, if Jakes ‘5 second’ plan is to stall and wait for Kratos then you have this all backwards. Kratos can’t interfere with a 1v1. Only the winner of this bout can intervene in the other fights.
I haven’t yet addressed the Bunny Hood because it disappears pretty quickly as well. And it only buffs running speed, not combat speed. Total non-factor vs Nappa who is much faster in any right. Kratos is objectively too weak and slow to challenge Nappa. Let’s also not forget about the added maneuverability of flight. Kratos is grounded and Nappa can fly circles around him, firing nuke-level energy beams from range if he wishes. Kratos is very strong and fast, but Nappa, General of the Saiyan army, would defeat Kratos just as easily as he would defeat Jake and the Winchester bros.
The Dot and Enzo thing will obviously be up to the judges. It makes no difference. Vader could literally outfly them all blindfolded.
Excalibur’s questionable blinding light is much more likely to blind Finn than someone in a different ship, you fool! And you’re trying to deny Darth Vader a basic force power because he maybe hopefully skipped that class? Is this what this battle has become??
See, as a proven genius, I’ve realized there’s a certain cadence to this UFF thing. You furiously spew out a post as soon as you read mine, but I carefully prepare and methodically wait until the time is right. The honour of UFF champion means so much to me that I decided to turn down a beautiful woman’s request to meet up tonight.
“No, babe” I said.
“I need to post something on the Internet at exactly 11:59, babe” I also said.
She understood once I said “It has to do with that trophy in my room”
My hope here is that you learn from me. I can’t help you with women, obviously, but as a bonafide humanitarian my wish is that you’ll learn to take some time to reflect. Not only on your uneducated arguments, but on your life.
No, don’t start a religion in my name. That’s not what I ask. Start your own religion. In your own name. For yourself.
-Dan “The Prophet” Hopper
TURN 7. ADVENTURE TIME!
Aaridin
All right one final post.
I’m pretty sure everything has been said that is going to be said so i’m just going to take this time to go over / clarify some stuff. Firstly I would to apologize that last post had a few mistakes (spelling and what not) I have been incredibly sick over the past couple of days and haven't been able to put the attention to stuff like proofreading, that being seen most in my saying 125 feet, I ment 125 meters, because that slipped my sight I apologize but either way the distance is kind of semantics you and I both kind of agree on this.
I would like to bring up something you said two posts ago that I didn’t have room for in my last post you claimed that weapons like the colt wouldn’t affect members of your team because they are from outside of the supernatural universe. I had Ni try the same tactic in my last match and again I’ll say we have to assume that everything that someone can do in their universe would have effect on agents from other universes or there would be no UFF because I could turn around and say something like Nappa’s energy blasts would have no effect on any of my team since they are not from Dragon Ball and you have no proof that Nappa’s attacks would have any effect on Jake or Kratos. So basically The Colt would work on any of your agents.
There is a big mistake made by you in that last post you said that Magic bounce reflects the forcefield placed around your whole team but then is able to attack IW, if you reflected the forcefield then that means my team is now forcefielded so none of the attacks from your pokemon can connect. Now to move onto MKG vs IW you say she wouldn’t be able to concentrate on the barrier with the 80,000 ton MKG attacking the barrier (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/840834-invisiblewoman2.jpg ) this show’s IW holding back the blast of a megaton nuke which is 1,000,000 tons of weight significantly more than the 80,000 tons of MKG. As i stated in past posts they just have to wait for Kratos to show up, which brings me to my next point.
You said that Kratos cannot join the 1v1 or the 2v2 because only the victor of those matches can join the others… where on the table trait does it say that? The table trait says “Forces a combat thread at the start of the battle…” the key word being the start of the battle. If any of the combat threads end then they can go to assist the others and because I have proven without a shadow of a doubt that Kratos wins the fight against T-1000 in mere seconds he can and would go to assist his team mates along with the Winchesters.
Now for the Super Star. I like how you completely ignored my bit about having to take the most iconic form, so when the link says “Most projectiles or enemies that come into contact with the user of the Star while it is activated are destroyed, damaged, or knocked off screen (depending on the type of enemy and what game it is)” it is covering a basic description for all the games however by the rules of the UFF it has to take on the most iconic form which is again from the games I provided. I’m trying to work with the most iconic version but you want to take the less iconic versions only because it would help your cases instead of trying to figure out a way to counter or get around the version of the SS that I have based on the rules of the UFF.
Giving up on an argument is a bold strategy Ni tried that in my last match too, didn’t work out so well for him. I have used the Civilians utility guaranteeing civilians would be there. In the lore of Reboot when a gamecube appears most civilians run away however there are a few that run toward the game because they want to help save their home. Dot and Enzo are two such civilians.
Now as for excalibur also blinding Finn if you spent anytime to read the link I posted it states (albeit in “old” english) that the light from the blade only blinds Arthur’s enemies the light has no effect on the wielder or his allies. On top of that this isn’t Finns first time using the sword my backstory and my last match shows that he has experience with the sword and that he knows of this effect, it’s needless to say that he wouldn’t be affected by the light.
I’m not placing a bet on that Anakin missed a class I said that both Vader and Anakin has never used or shown any hint that they can use force sight in fact I can argue that him getting taken out by an unseen attack from Han Solo proves that he completely lacks this basic force technique. I only said he may have “missed the class” as a potential reason as to why he doesn’t have this ability but you better believe I have provided ample support that he doesn’t have it where you have provided no evidence that says he does have it.
Now back to the Nappa Speed thing. Also thanks for providing a time link that is after what you want to show. How about instead of being a dink about time stamps and providing where on a page to look you just do it, it’s not just for me so I don’t have to spend hours reading or having to rewind your crap but it’s done as a courtesy for the Judges so they don’t also have to do it. Your remarks about me not knowing the search function and also pulling this bs with timestamps is just childish and frankly insulting to the judges since by you acting like that is basically saying you care more about your childish antics than respect for the Judges. Now back to what I was saying in that same fight you see Goku do the blinky thing I was talking about but you NEVER see Nappa do it. (https://youtu.be/oAlYfgzePKw?t=304 ) Once again you have provided a bunch of links to other characters in the Dragon Ball universe and say things like “They can do it and they have a smaller power level so obviously Nappa can do it.” That has no weight. To use my baseball argument from before I could provide links to professional baseball players who didn’t graduate high school but because I did that means I can do what they do right? We are both humans so I can do it too right? Wrong. How about next season you argue with what you have and not try and stretch the rules, it might work against other but not me.
Also what do you mean Bunny hood is also timed? If you are thinking about the one from smashbros sure but once again this is NOT the Smash version of the item but rather the majoras mask version of the item which only stops providing the speed if it’s removed. How many times do I have to correct you on how my items work. I provided links to each of them.
With what I have proven I would argue that with the bunny hood and SS that Kratos is even faster than Nappa and even if Nappa would be able to fly away which he wouldn’t be able to what with Jake wrapping him up Kratos has the length of the blades of chaos because just like T-1000 one touch and Nappa is defeated. Same thing applies to every target in the 2v2.
Well everyone win or lose it’s been fun. In all seriousness we should all get together and have a celebration and a drink together! Please don’t take anything I say to seriously or get offended by anything I said in this post I’m a good guy I just get wrapped up in the moment. Can’t wait for the next season.
P.S. I have to go to bed now I’m still sick and have to get up for work so if you’re quick you can maybe get one lest sneak post in. Also apologies in advance for any spelling / grammar mistakes.
Aaridin
All right one final post.
I’m pretty sure everything has been said that is going to be said so i’m just going to take this time to go over / clarify some stuff. Firstly I would to apologize that last post had a few mistakes (spelling and what not) I have been incredibly sick over the past couple of days and haven't been able to put the attention to stuff like proofreading, that being seen most in my saying 125 feet, I ment 125 meters, because that slipped my sight I apologize but either way the distance is kind of semantics you and I both kind of agree on this.
I would like to bring up something you said two posts ago that I didn’t have room for in my last post you claimed that weapons like the colt wouldn’t affect members of your team because they are from outside of the supernatural universe. I had Ni try the same tactic in my last match and again I’ll say we have to assume that everything that someone can do in their universe would have effect on agents from other universes or there would be no UFF because I could turn around and say something like Nappa’s energy blasts would have no effect on any of my team since they are not from Dragon Ball and you have no proof that Nappa’s attacks would have any effect on Jake or Kratos. So basically The Colt would work on any of your agents.
There is a big mistake made by you in that last post you said that Magic bounce reflects the forcefield placed around your whole team but then is able to attack IW, if you reflected the forcefield then that means my team is now forcefielded so none of the attacks from your pokemon can connect. Now to move onto MKG vs IW you say she wouldn’t be able to concentrate on the barrier with the 80,000 ton MKG attacking the barrier (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/3853/840834-invisiblewoman2.jpg ) this show’s IW holding back the blast of a megaton nuke which is 1,000,000 tons of weight significantly more than the 80,000 tons of MKG. As i stated in past posts they just have to wait for Kratos to show up, which brings me to my next point.
You said that Kratos cannot join the 1v1 or the 2v2 because only the victor of those matches can join the others… where on the table trait does it say that? The table trait says “Forces a combat thread at the start of the battle…” the key word being the start of the battle. If any of the combat threads end then they can go to assist the others and because I have proven without a shadow of a doubt that Kratos wins the fight against T-1000 in mere seconds he can and would go to assist his team mates along with the Winchesters.
Now for the Super Star. I like how you completely ignored my bit about having to take the most iconic form, so when the link says “Most projectiles or enemies that come into contact with the user of the Star while it is activated are destroyed, damaged, or knocked off screen (depending on the type of enemy and what game it is)” it is covering a basic description for all the games however by the rules of the UFF it has to take on the most iconic form which is again from the games I provided. I’m trying to work with the most iconic version but you want to take the less iconic versions only because it would help your cases instead of trying to figure out a way to counter or get around the version of the SS that I have based on the rules of the UFF.
Giving up on an argument is a bold strategy Ni tried that in my last match too, didn’t work out so well for him. I have used the Civilians utility guaranteeing civilians would be there. In the lore of Reboot when a gamecube appears most civilians run away however there are a few that run toward the game because they want to help save their home. Dot and Enzo are two such civilians.
Now as for excalibur also blinding Finn if you spent anytime to read the link I posted it states (albeit in “old” english) that the light from the blade only blinds Arthur’s enemies the light has no effect on the wielder or his allies. On top of that this isn’t Finns first time using the sword my backstory and my last match shows that he has experience with the sword and that he knows of this effect, it’s needless to say that he wouldn’t be affected by the light.
I’m not placing a bet on that Anakin missed a class I said that both Vader and Anakin has never used or shown any hint that they can use force sight in fact I can argue that him getting taken out by an unseen attack from Han Solo proves that he completely lacks this basic force technique. I only said he may have “missed the class” as a potential reason as to why he doesn’t have this ability but you better believe I have provided ample support that he doesn’t have it where you have provided no evidence that says he does have it.
Now back to the Nappa Speed thing. Also thanks for providing a time link that is after what you want to show. How about instead of being a dink about time stamps and providing where on a page to look you just do it, it’s not just for me so I don’t have to spend hours reading or having to rewind your crap but it’s done as a courtesy for the Judges so they don’t also have to do it. Your remarks about me not knowing the search function and also pulling this bs with timestamps is just childish and frankly insulting to the judges since by you acting like that is basically saying you care more about your childish antics than respect for the Judges. Now back to what I was saying in that same fight you see Goku do the blinky thing I was talking about but you NEVER see Nappa do it. (https://youtu.be/oAlYfgzePKw?t=304 ) Once again you have provided a bunch of links to other characters in the Dragon Ball universe and say things like “They can do it and they have a smaller power level so obviously Nappa can do it.” That has no weight. To use my baseball argument from before I could provide links to professional baseball players who didn’t graduate high school but because I did that means I can do what they do right? We are both humans so I can do it too right? Wrong. How about next season you argue with what you have and not try and stretch the rules, it might work against other but not me.
Also what do you mean Bunny hood is also timed? If you are thinking about the one from smashbros sure but once again this is NOT the Smash version of the item but rather the majoras mask version of the item which only stops providing the speed if it’s removed. How many times do I have to correct you on how my items work. I provided links to each of them.
With what I have proven I would argue that with the bunny hood and SS that Kratos is even faster than Nappa and even if Nappa would be able to fly away which he wouldn’t be able to what with Jake wrapping him up Kratos has the length of the blades of chaos because just like T-1000 one touch and Nappa is defeated. Same thing applies to every target in the 2v2.
Well everyone win or lose it’s been fun. In all seriousness we should all get together and have a celebration and a drink together! Please don’t take anything I say to seriously or get offended by anything I said in this post I’m a good guy I just get wrapped up in the moment. Can’t wait for the next season.
P.S. I have to go to bed now I’m still sick and have to get up for work so if you’re quick you can maybe get one lest sneak post in. Also apologies in advance for any spelling / grammar mistakes.
